Divine Light Magazine No 12

Divine Light Magazine No 12

Salutations at the Lotus Feet of Satgurudev

Some people who have not properly realized the Truth think that by taking the Knowledge of Guru Maharaj Ji their enjoyment of the world will in some way be impaired. This is very misguided thinking, for the Divine Knowledge, far from decreasing one's enjoyment, increases it to a level where it is total, and not partial, as was previously the case.

It was previously the case because, if one's happiness had been total before one took the Knowledge, then one would never have come to the Divine Light Mission, for Guru Maharaj Ji says time and time again that the only thing He can give is total happiness – a happiness that cannot be exceeded and which can never be broken. Somebody who already has this naturally will not feel the least reason to go to a person who is offering it. In fact, somebody who already has this complete and eternal happiness, which has as one of its qualities such an unbreakability that even physical death can never affect it, will Himself be called Satguru, which means precisely this – that He has mastered the subject of infinite happiness and eternal Truth. And, just as we can make other people masters of whatever subject we are masters of, whether it be nuclear physics or baking bread, so can He show other people how to attain the peace that passes understanding, the bliss that passes comprehension. He Himself embodies that thing of which He is the master which He is imparting, in the same way that we are the living representative of that state of mind in which we are at any one time. With our states of mind however, there is constant fluctuation, since we do not possess self-contained and perfect balance and are therefore dependent for our happiness or sadness on those things that are going on around us. We can therefore be said to be the incarnation of fluctuation, whereas the Satguru is by definition absolutely constant and stable, always one hundred per cent blissful, and can therefore be called the incarnation of perfect equipoise, which means perfect peace. Perfect peace is sometimes called God, so He can with equal accuracy be called the incarnation of God.

What the Satguru, who is known at this time as Guru Maharaj Ji, is able to give is Knowledge of God, or perfect happiness. This means that, whatever befalls one, one's happiness is completely undisturbed. Jesus set the example of how to experience physical death yet remain in perfect bliss, and thousands of Christian martyrs enjoyed their deaths in a like fashion. Yet most people today complain if a small piece of bad fortune comes their way, and are made most miserable if a more serious calamity such as the loss of sight or the use of a limb happens to them. In fact, they experience unhappiness in exact proportion to the joy they got from that limb or that sensual faculty. And, unless we get our happiness from that thing which cannot die and which is eternal, then we all, athlete or cripple, businessman or priest, get an equal amount of pleasure from one thing – the possession of our bodies, minds and those things, people and experiences we have accumulated because of their possession. Hence, just as all our happiness, all our peace, all our well-being, depends on our sensation of physical life, then when that physical life leaves us, as it inevitably must, then our unhappiness, our agony, our regret, our misery, will also be total! The balance is always perfect.

So the only way to enjoy total happiness, a happiness that is not made partial or non-existent by the changes in external fortunes, is to know that thing which is not physical and therefore is not subject to death, decline and decay. And it is this that Guru Maharaj Ji can show. In the scriptures it is called the Word of God.

Knowing this, one is really happy. One will not have to go somewhere or do something to get greater happiness except enter further into the well of infinite happiness. This is why the true disciple of Guru Maharaj Ji will not look for a physical vacation as most people do because of an unhappy or tedious routine. The premies of Guru Maharaj Ji are never unhappy. They have found such a routine that is perennially sweet, perennially happy, perennially new. Every morning is a new morning! Every moment is a new moment! They have the real secret of happiness and hence know how to enjoy life totally. Whatever the world brings, they remain unaffected. If they are in the mountains with crisp air and fine views, they are blissful. If they are in the city with smog and fumes, they are blissful. If they are with their friends in comfortable chairs, they are blissful. If their bodies are dying in a lonely desert, they are blissful. All is blissful for the disciple of Guru Maharaj Ji, for he is living constantly with Word, the source of life, the source of happiness, the source of peace. Word is not fickle. It never changes or leaves, as external physical things do. This is the real happiness, this is the real life. To let us know this secret of constant bliss Jesus came, the Buddha came, and now Guru Maharaj Ji has come. Life is with Guru Maharaj Ji! Total joy is surrender before His Divine and Perfect Lotus Feet!

Contributions towards the working of the Mission should be sent to The Treasurer, 3 Woodside Avenue, London, N.6.

Any personal gifts or letters to our Lord should be sent to Shri Guru Maharaj Ji at the same address.



Guru Maharaj Ji, Acton Town Hall, 30th August 1972

Dear premies,

Well, we don't have a long time, and all I want to say is that after getting a glass of water our aim is not to find water but to drink it. Once a man comes into this hall his aim is not to come in again but his aim is now to get out of the hall. In the same way, once we receive this Knowledge, our aim is not to find this Knowledge any more but to meditate on it.

You see, there are three levels, there are three frequencies of thinking. One is an ordinary level, on which an ordinary human being thinks. One is the frequency on which fully realized souls think, and one is the frequency on which devils think. So we must understand what level we are on, because not knowing this is actually why the world has gone wrong today. It is as if a man is driving an aeroplane and he is the only pilot sitting in the cockpit, he is the only one who knows how to drive. But at the same time as he is sitting in the cockpit driving, he is also trying to control the navigation. He is trying to look around and communicate. He is trying to look at the map to find out the real direction he wants to go in. So he leaves the steering wheel, and this automatically diverts the plane downwards because there is gravitational pull. And then there comes a time when it is too late for the pilot to control the aeroplane any more and it crashes. The same thing has gone wrong with us. We are supposedly operating on the very highest frequency of our thinking level. Then suddenly we stop it, we slow down, we divert our attention and we just let it run. Our main aim, our main destination, is diverted to different places.

When a child is very small, he doesn't know what to do. Really, a small child doesn't have any plans because he doesn't know what plans are. He doesn't know what he can do. He doesn't know his ability. He doesn't know anything. Then he gets bigger and he has to learn something because he doesn't know how to walk or speak, and he feels there are some things he can talk about. Still he can't understand you very much, but suddenly he grows bigger and you send the boy to school. He starts studying and so many things start happening. Then the boy comes to the age of say thirteen or fourteen and he starts making plans. "Now what have I to do? What must I do? Where should I direct my life? What should I do?" So many, many things. Then again another change comes, a complete change, and now he has to make a full decision because, in his early age, he was just thinking about what to do, but now he has to do what he was thinking. So now he has to stick to something and complete it. He must complete his work, he has to become a professor or a scientist or an engineer or whatever he has to become, he now has to become it.

And then there are so many other things, so many side effects, going on in the world. Some people do go and try to seek truth. But what happens is that they are driving their vehicles at 90 miles an hour, and because there are driving so fast they must keep in the fast lane. And this is far away from the exit. Because they are driving so fast they can't go into the near-side lane, because that is too slow. They'll hit something. So they must stay in the fast lane and that's all the way across the road from the exit. So when the exit comes there is so much traffic that they can't get across to the other side, and they simply miss it. So this is what happens. You've raced up to 90 miles an hour to gain one hour, and then it takes you one hour extra to take the next exit to go back and get on the right road!

The same thing is going on today. First of all, people were in search of God, and then Martin Luther and other people came, and so many other things came about. And then suddenly in 1968 or something like that came the hippies. And they started taking LSD and drugs and they all just freaked out. Then they said, "Oh, LSD is pretty expensive to buy and it's illegal too", so they started making it right in their homes! But these are not the ways to find God and we are ourselves being deluded because God is inside us and cannot be realized, our consciousness cannot be raised, by taking tablets. We must understand this. Because consciousness works on such a level that no bodily effect can touch it. This is common sense and we should understand it but unfortunately common sense is very uncommon. So people don't understand that tablets only effect our body. Because they are external they only affect external things, and consciousness is internal, so they cannot affect our consciousness. To reach our consciousness, we have to get onto a particular frequency. With some walkie-talkies you can listen to the police, you can hear them transmitting messages,


but we cannot speak to them. If you want to speak to them you must get onto their frequency. In the same way, if you have a boil, a doctor can cut it from outside, but if your boil is within the doctor cannot cut it from outside. He has to take his scissors and his operating instruments and then he has to dissect you.

So what is the method through which we can reach our inner consciousness and which will put us onto that higher level so that we can talk to God, so that we can relate to God, so that we can understand who God is? There are two channels, UHF and VHF. Ultra High Frequency and Very High Frequency. Now the channels that operate on VHF do not catch the Ultra High Frequencies. To get these, you must set your television to UHF, right? That's a common thing. There are two channels in your television. In the same way all external things are only on Very High Frequency and are limited. But our consciousness is on Ultra High Frequency and to approach this we need a tuner so that we can get the exact setting. And it must be a very exact setting. If it is a little bit on this side we won't be able to catch it clearly. The setting has to be really exact, and then the sound and the channel and the vertical and the horizontal will then be automatically all correct.

So this is the case with us. We are now receiving very high frequencies. These are or scriptures, our own methods that we apply to reach God. But now we have to put ourselves on ultra high frequencies to understand God, to relate to God because God lies on up. So, how do we get that frequency, how do we change our frequency. Suppose our television doesn't have VHF and we want to receive those really good programmes that come on those channels, we must change our television set or we must take it back to the shop so that the engineer can put something in it and make it into ultra high frequency.

Who is the television engineer? It is Guru. And when we go to Him He mends it, He makes it

Prem Rawat aka Maharaj Ji in 1972


Prem Rawat aka Maharaj Ji in 1972

work properly, He makes it tuned in. There are so many scriptures in the world. One scripture was written and it was not satisfactory so another scripture came out, and that was not satisfactory. So a third scripture came out, and that was not satisfactory, and a fourth scripture came out. I don't know exactly how many scriptures there are in the world because they are quite unlimited, and this is because man has been thinking and thinking and thinking. He began from a capital letter but had to end on a full stop, but God does not start from a capital letter and end on a full stop.

So, to understand God, we have to go further. You see, when you first put a pen on the paper, the first thing that is created, the first thing that is formed is a point. It is one point. No matter what language you are writing, no matter what sketch you are drawing, no matter what diagram you are making. When you first put your pen on the paper, it makes one dot. If you lift it, you can see the dot is there, then from the dot the whole line is formed. And then, when you take your pen off again, there is another dot there. So, a dot is the beginning and a dot is the end, but what is a dot? We know a dot is the beginning and a dot is the end, but what is a dot? This dot has created doubt in us, and to solve the doubt of the dot, we search. We want to find the answer to our doubt about the dot. The scriptures were also written from a dot, so if we don't get an appropriate teacher, we'll only have more confusion. So many people say, "Why did Jesus say this?" or "Why did Jesus say that?". "Why did Krishna say this", "Why did Ram say that?" "Why did this person say that?" and "Why did that person say this?" You have to look beyond the dots for the answer to your doubts. And what is beyond dot?

When you are speaking, the first sound that your speaking system creates is 'aa'. No matter how long it is, it may be one minute long, one second long, or one millionth of a second long, the first sound you create is 'aa'. Now what is 'aa'? Now, 'aa' is the first letter in Hindi alphabet and 'a' is the first letter in the English alphabet. And from this whole alphabet comes. Even in Z, aa' is also there. So aa' is in the beginning and aa' is at the end. So we must understand this aa', and to understand this secret we receive the Knowledge. And what does this Knowledge do to us? It makes us into UHF. It's like Apollo. It lifts us up, it lifts us right up high so that if there is any problem inside us it will just take them away and we become really fantastic. And everything is far out then! Because now we can really flow. There are some aeroplanes that can only fly at 10,000 feet and if they try to fly over the Alps they are going to hit some of the things there, some of the mountains. If they want to cross the Alps, they must rise higher, and if they go high then oxygen masks will be needed because they are not pressurized aeroplanes.

So we also need to be pressurized and this means that we must do whatever we have been instructed to do. If a man drives his car daily and doesn't check the water and the oil and when the car begins to break down he doesn't take it to the company, he just drives it on. Let's say he has a Hunter, then he'll say he doesn't like it because it doesn't run for a long time. But when he knew it was broken he should have taken it to the company, to the shop, from where he bought it and they should have serviced it. But he never did that. He never checked the water … he never checked the oil. He never did anything to the car, he just drove it. So after some time he will say, "The Hunter is a no-good car!" Then he takes another car and does the same thing with it. He says, "No good car." Then he takes a Rolls Royce, and the same thing again, "No good car". Now whose fault is this? Is it Rolls Royce's fault, or Hunter's fault? No, it is the man's own fault. He was not following the instructions he had been given, and instructions are the pressurization. So what are the instructions with this Knowledge? They are not to lubricate it. They are to meditate on it. And our meditation gets higher when we do service. There was a boy who was a doctor and his trousers were all patched; even though they were new trousers, they were all patched up. And I thought, this is a poor guy, he has got no car, he has got nothing. I said to him, "Now you must go to the satsang programme," and I saw him drive away in a Ford. I was amazed. I said, "This boy has got patches on his pants, and he's such a poor boy and yet he drives a Ford. It is a crazy thing." When he came to me the next time I said, "Well, you are so poor, you have got patches in your pants, and you drive a Ford." And he said, "No, Maharaj Ji, I put these patches on my pants because when I see them it makes me think I am poor. So ego doesn't come to me!" And I said, "Well, ha ha! You think that's a practical method to become humble, do you?"

So when we want to decrease our egos, what must we do? We must not patch our pants, we must become servants. We must become God's servant; we have to be His servants, doing His service when He is there, and then everything gets taken care of. So when you are pressurized you can go onto very high altitudes, maybe 20,000, maybe 40,000, maybe 44,000 feet and when you get there, there are no bumps; it's perfectly O.K. When you fly at low altitude a building might come in the way, or a mountain, or you might meet an air pocket. But when you go onto a very high altitude, there are no air pockets, there are no mountains, just nothing, you fly so smoothly.


So I might be leaving for America very soon, as a matter of fact I might be leaving tomorrow, but every time I come here I tell you one thing, and that is to meditate. Some might say I'm crazy, but I know I'm not because I know meditation is the only thing that can help you. There is nothing else. Money? No. There is nothing in the world that can help you. There is a song which says, "Oh, man, why do you think you are proud? When you die your horses, your cows, your cattle, will remain where they are. All your wealth will remain where it is. And the nearest things to you, your brother or your wife, will only go to your funeral, and then they will leave you there. They won't stay with you, they will leave you there. So why are you proud! Your wife is going to leave you, she is going to divorce you for ever and ever and ever. And your children are going to leave you for ever and ever and ever. Your brothers are going to leave you, your wealth is going to leave you, nothing is going to go with you, except one thing and that is you yourself and who you are. That is going to go with you, this Holy Word."

So realize this and get high into it, reach such an altitude that the plane cannot drop down from there. Cross the level of the horizon, cross the level where the earth's gravitational pull finishes. That gravitational pull is maya, illusion, and that will pull you down. You want to go high but you get pulled down. There are so many obligations but when you go, when you cross that level, it's so light, it's so beautiful, it's so perfect. I saw this movie about the astronauts going to the moon, and this boy was demonstrating how far out it was there. So he jumped from one point and he went flying just like this … to the other point. Then he jumped back again. And we can become so light in the same way. If that astronaut wasn't carrying any weights, he would have been floating. So we want to float, and we don't want to float on our lower consciousness, we want to float on a high consciousness.

How to get high? Never by external means. If we don't get the internal way and apply it there is nothing that can help us. If you like, you can experience, you can see – and I can clearly see that there is only one road, there is only one Divine path which you can put yourself into and you'll get directly taken there. Other things you try in order to gain peace in the world are like roller coasters. They take you up, they take you down. Bump, bump, bump! They take you this side, that side, this side and that side again. They bring you back and stop where they started. just like a roller coaster. Takes you high, takes you low, takes you round, wherever the tracks lead, up and down, left and right, and then brings you back from where you started. Just like a roller coaster.

This is because you take so many things. There was once a boy who came to me in the ashram and he was very frustrated because he started this drugs system and felt that this was the ultimate thing to try. And he said, "I'm going to commit suicide now," and I said, "Why? What's the matter?" and he said, "I was trying to find peace and I couldn't even get peace from the highest thing in the world." So I said "What is the highest thing in the world?" and he said, "LSD!" And I said, "No, you're wrong, you didn't try the right thing and that's why you weren't getting proper results. You were putting water into the petrol pump and that will never help you. You should find the most appropriate thing and try that." I don't know whether he's taken the Knowledge or not but he should have taken it.

This Knowledge is not interference with religion. It is the true religion. It is not a religion you believe in, like being a Hindu or a Christian or a Buddhist. What is religion? Religion is realization of God, that's true religion – that through which we realize God. Everyone follows one religion or another, so why isn't everyone satisfied? Look at history, every war that started became a religious war. Hitler wanted to conquer the world, he did not want to conquer religion. But ultimately he had to come to the point where he said, "Kill the Jews", and his war became religious. And today it is somewhere else. Many kings came from the Middle East to conquer India and those wars became religious. So many religious wars, yet religions don't teach us to fight do they? They teach us to love. So the real religion is one that teaches us how to love. Why did Jesus come into the world? Jesus came into the world for a purpose, He accomplished that purpose and that purpose was more necessary than anything that existed at that time. There were priests at that time, weren't there? And they were the ones who inspired the King, the Pilate, to crucify Christ. They claimed to be the true ones, but were they the true ones? Jesus was standing there, and some people said, "Oh, we believe in Him. There is a prophesy that He will come and He is here." Other people said, "Oh, no, prophesy or not, I don't believe in him."

I can sit here and talk about prophesies. But prophesies are prophesies, and prophesies are indications for us. And if we stick on the prophesies, do you know what we are doing? We are driving our cars to Leicester and over the highway we see the sign saying Leicester and an

arrow pointing down. And we go right under that and we stop our cars! The highway patrol comes


Prem Rawat aka Maharaj Ji in 1972

and says, "Why have you stopped here?" And you say, "I want to go to Leicester and Leicester is right here. So I have stopped here."

Jesus said, "I am going to come. I am going to come through the clouds and in white." So many people talk about this and so many people expect Him in so many different ways. I asked one guy, "In which island will He land, on which continent will He land? America, Europe, Germany, Switzerland, India? He's not going to land on the ocean. He'll need to land on some land, so where is He going to land? What arrangements have you made to find Him out, to seek Him out? He might drop on an island you don't know about."

And this is the case with us. Instead of following the directions which say the Master is going to come, you are relaxing in your chairs. Get out of them and find Him, because there is going to be a True Master coming into this world. Otherwise you are doing a crazy thing, you are stopping your car under the sign that says Leicester.

It's so funny, really, to a man who under-


stands, it really is funny. There's no doubt about it because we can see how crazy the whole world is. And all the saints say the world is really crazy. I have talked to many educated people, many intellectual people and they say history is like a pendulum. It swings there and swings back. There are many saints who were ill-treated and crucified, and after them the same happened to others. Nobody learned the lesson that nobody knows in which form God is going to come. God is not going to be stamped on His head, with a stamp saying "This is God". He is not going to be stamped. You have to realize Him by His fruits, you have to realize Him by what He gives you, by what He tells you. When you go to a shop the man says, "This is the best tape recorder," and you buy it, right? No, you don't do that. You say, "Give me some literature," and you read the literature. Then you go to other shops and say, "Which is the best tape recorder?" and they tell you something else and so you read their literature. There is a graph in all the brochures which tells you what all the controls are, it shows everything, and you yourself can compare the tape recorders, and after you have read them you say, "Alright, this is a better tape recorder than that one." So you should understand Him by His fruits, not by His face, not by His actions, not even by what He talks about. He might talk about things we do not understand.

People who believe in Jesus, ministers and people, come to me and discuss His teachings with me; they realize and understand that some of their talk about Jesus is wrong. They say, "Jesus is the son of God," and I say, "No, you are wrong," and they freak out! They freak out because that's what they have been teaching to the world. So I tell them to buy a Bible, and according to the Bible He is not the son of God, He is God. When He said He was the son of God He was crucified, so I don't know what they would have done with Him if He had said, "I am God!" So what the Bible says is this. The Word was made flesh, and the flesh was Jesus. And what was the Word? In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The Word was God, the Word was made flesh and the flesh was Jesus. So Jesus was … God!

And in another place He goes into this temple and He is asked this question: "Who are you?" And He said, "I and my Father are one." He said, "Him who I claim to be my Father, I am. I and Him are both one. There is no differentiation." But people stick to grammar, people stick to literature, and they do not go into the reality, so they never get to the reality. It you eat one chapati, you are going to satisfy a one chapati hunger. If you eat two chapatis you are going to finish off a two chapati hunger. In the same way, how much you understand depends on how much you go into something.

You need a living Master, you need a living saint. Everyone realizes this, but everyone is too ashamed to believe it. Everyone is too lazy to go onto that higher level and find the living Master, so they just don't believe in Him. But you need living milk from the living cow. Or why don't you make a picture of a cow and get milk out of that? Why do you need a living source of water? Why don't you just say, "Oh, cow, please give me some milk," to the picture? If you want a living thing you can only get it from a living source, and if you want the living Knowledge you can only get it from the living Master. That is a fact. It is a question of therefore. We use therefore in geometry when we have to prove something. We need a living Master to get this living Knowledge. And that's a perfectly O.K. theorem, but you have to realize it.

This world is becoming crazy. Why? Because I say look inside yourself, I say don't look at me, I say look inside yourself, and they say, "You are anti-Christ." I say look within yourself and you will find God there, and they say, "You are anti-Christ." Even Jesus said, "Look inside yourself." It is because they themselves see within themselves the image of anti-Christ that they see everyone as anti-Christ. Within themselves they see illusion, within themselves they see darkness, so they think the whole world is in darkness.

If a baby is born and before the baby can see anything you put red glasses on his eyes, when he starts seeing the world, he is going to say the world is red, because that's what he has been seeing since he was born. Man was originally in the light, then he was lost. And then the Master always had to come. Why did the Master come into the world? And why will Jesus come? To guide us back into the light. This means that we are in darkness, and while we are in darkness to judge anything is wrong, because we don't know what we are doing. So this is why I really feel the world is crazy.

Anyway, I have got this Knowledge. I meditate on it, I give it to you so that you can meditate on it. I get high and you can get high! If you like you can really dig this Knowledge because it is inside you. So if you want to go fast, you accelerate, not me. I am driving another car. O.K.? You accelerate, you go fast; I accelerate, I go fast. My acceleration won't help you. Your acceleration won't help me. So meditate and the whole traffic will start moving much faster! Thank you very much. Let's go!


Prem Rawat aka Maharaj Ji in 1972


Satsang of Shri Raja Ji, Hampstead Town Hall,
7th July 1972

Dear premies,

Today you are sitting in a hall and seeing pictures of great English leaders and so on, but they were all famous for the cruelties they did to other people, though they were still grateful to the world. They ruled the world by their hardness and they conquered the world with their weapons. But our Lord conquers the world not externally, but internally and externally. He first conquered us internally and then He conquered us externally and He conquered in such a way that we and He are one. We and He were one, so our Lord made us in such a way that we could receive the Knowledge of love. He gave us love, He gave us everything, He gave us the Knowledge, and so we and He were one. So that means that by His Knowledge He ruled over the world in whatever way He wanted, because the Knowledge is in everyone, and this Knowledge was there when the world was not there and will be there when the world will not be there. So what does He do? The Knowledge is within us and He just reveals the Knowledge to us. So the Knowledge is in everyone, everyone who is sitting here and everyone else, and so He reveals to us the Light, He reveals to us the Knowledge, because the Knowledge is the same in everyone. So everyone, when they come to realize the Knowledge, see that everyone is equal and that this is the only way there can be peace in the world. Maharaj Ji went to many places and when He was in Portland He was asked by a professor, "Why don't you eat meat?" So Maharaj Ji said, "Alright, you are a professor, you have your own point of view like everybody has. We are considered to be from the generation of monkeys. Now, animals which eat meat, they just lick liquid with their tongue as a lion licks liquid and eats meat. But other animals which are vegetarians like the cow, don't lick the water, they just swallow it straight down. In the same way a man doesn't lick his water, he swallows it, because his nature is vegetarian. So you shouldn't eat meat, and the man who eats meat should lick up his water." So he was looking at Maharaj Ji and he opened his eyes, so Maharaj Ji said, "Everybody has his own ideas, everyone carries his own principles." So he was very much impressed, and so they ,gave Guru Maharaj Ji the key of Portland. We are all so grateful that Maharaj Ji has come here and has given us this great opportunity to see Him.

Wherever Maharaj Ji went, He conquered. He got the keys of all the cities. Many people get the keys of the cities, but they are only external keys. Maharaj Ji got both the external and the internal keys. So this has been a most gracious occasion for all the places where we have travelled with Guru Maharaj Ji.

You see, Guru Maharaj Ji has given us the Knowledge, this everything, and now what we have to do is meditate on what He has given us with His grace. Every man has his own thoughts. We think Maharaj Ji can come here. It is very true He can come here, but He has to look upon everybody. We think of Guru Maharaj Ji according to how much we meditate. I meditate more, so I think He is very much. I think other fellows meditate less and think He is just Guru Maharaj Ji, but another fellow thinks, "He is my God, He is my Father, He is my Mother, He is everything."

If I give you a car and you don't make any use of it, the car is no use to you, it is no use having it. But this Knowledge has been given to you, so now you should meditate. There was a very rich man, and a saint came to him and gave him a stone, and said that if he would touch the stone against iron, the iron would turn into gold. Now every day this man phoned to the market and said, "What is the rate of iron?" And it went up gradually. He said, "Alright, some day it will come down and then I will buy." At last the saint came again for his stone and he had not turned anything into gold because he was thinking the rate would come down one day. But the day came and he lost everything. So in the same way we should not think that Christ will come to us, although He will come to us, because we are just thinking that one day the rate will come down. What will we do when we die? It is very true the rate will come down one day, once upon a time, but what will we do before that time? What will we do for that period? The past is very true. He will come one day, but what will we do in the in between? In the end we will die, of course, but we should not die without having Knowledge. So we should take the Knowledge because that is what we are seeking for, everybody knows. We like materialism very much and that's why some people say we should leave materialism. They want to leave materialism but they can't, still they are holding a camera in their hand. They want to leave materialism but they can't because Guru Maharaj Ji says materialism is very good, to a limit. We have the Knowledge but we still find materialism


Prem Rawat's Divine Brother, Raja Ji, in 1972

very good. Take the Knowledge then materialism can be your hobby. This is very good, make it a hobby. But also have the Knowledge so that you can control over everything, just like the car has a limit, has a brake to stop it. The same with Knowledge. It is a brake for materialism. The Knowledge stops you thinking about materialism, so now we have got it we should meditate on what Guru Maharaj Ji has given us.

So now what we should do is meditate and serve and have Darshan in any way that it is possible. But this does not mean we should leave our jobs and go to the ashram, because if everybody comes in the ashram then many would have to remain outside. So we should contact other people and we should work where we are in our jobs, whatever we are doing. Dwell in the worldly conditions and then we will stay wherever we are and meditate and love our Lord. It is the only reason for which we came to the earth. The first object why we came into the world was because we wanted our Lord. We have got Him now so we should love Him and love will come by meditation. So we should meditate more and more and when we meditate, love and devotion for Him will come automatically. Thank you. Good night.


Satsang of Shri Bhole Ji, School of Architecture,
Paris. 19th June, 1972

Dear Premies,

It is the grace of Guru Maharaj Ji on us that we have got this Knowledge. Before I give satsang, I will sing a bhajan.

(Bhole Ji sings "Apne hasti …")

Guru Maharaj Ji has given us this Holy Name. We must meditate on this Name because it is the only true Name in this world. Supposing we get this Knowledge and we do not meditate, it is of no use taking this Knowledge, because if you grow a tree and you do not put manure and water on it, the tree won't grow. It is no use to plant the tree if it does not grow. So if you want to eat the fruits of the plant, you will put manure on it and you will put water on it so that it grows, and then you can eat the fruits. So similarly with meditation. The more satsang you get the more meditation you do, then you will get the deliverance of this Name and then you will feel more happy, more cheerful in your life.

Lord Krishna gave this Holy Name to one man only, Arjuna, but Guru Maharaj Ji is giving this Name to everybody. You must practise this Name, you must practise this meditation so that you don't forget the Name. If you do not do meditation, you will forget it because if you don't practise something you forget it. So the same way, if you do not meditate, you forget the Name, this Holy Name which Guru Maharaj Ji has given us.

Today there is fighting all over the world because men don't have the true Name. If they had the true Name there would be no fighting between each other and there would be peace in this world. It is your duty to do satsang and bring more people to Guru Maharaj Ji so that they will realise this Knowledge. You will be doing a very great thing for the people if you give them satsang, then they will know the true Name that they are searching for. Then they will be able to come to Guru Maharaj Ji and they will get this true Name.

Today Guru Maharaj Ji has gone to Africa. There they have a problem between black and white people. Guru Maharaj Ji has gone to solve that problem. With this Name one fellow does not feel that he is separate because of the colour of his skin, but he realizes soul, which is the same in everyone. We are one in the true Name and those who realize this become friendly towards each other, they become brothers in this true Name.

No one on this earth can solve this problem, except Guru Maharaj Ji, because He alone can reveal the only true Name which can make all men feel in their hearts that they are brothers. We realise that what we are is the same thing because of the true Name that Guru Maharaj Ji gives. Only this Name can make all men equal. There is no other name which can do so.

So you see, we must feel great gratefulness for Guru Maharaj Ji who has given this true Name and whose grace is upon us. And so we must meditate because He has done His duty by giving us the Name, but if we do not meditate then it is our fault; we have not done our duty. So we must meditate so as to get the true Name's impression in our mind, then we will feel cheerfulness after our mind is fixed on the Name. So you go to many people and give satsang to them and then bring them to the ashram, so that Bai Ji may give them Knowledge that they may also become your brothers in this Knowledge. They will, in their turn, do satsang to some others so that this Name will be spread among everybody in this world.

Prem Rawat's Divine Brother Bhole Ji in 1972



Satsang and Answers of Shri Guru Maharaj Ji
3rd August 1972, Denver, Colorado

Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji in 1972

Everything in this world functions because of some power, and there are different types of power. They work in the same way, but some are nine volts, some are 12 volts, some are 24 volts. But there is one power that vibrates everywhere and this is the main thing in our life which we are searching for. But there are so many sects. Many Western people believe in Jesus, one thing, but besides believing in Jesus they then become Catholic and so many other things. The Eastern people believe in Ram, but still there are different ways of believing in Him. Or they believe in Krishna and they also believe in many different ways. They all talk about one God, but if one has understood who God is then everyone will believe in that. one thing, that one conception, that one light, the one Divine Light. This one thing is very common, but it is very interesting.

Take one scripture, the Bible. Now, John talks about this Word, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Then take the Koran, and they talk about Pak Nam, the Holy Name. Then take the Gita, and Krishna talks about this Word. Then take the Ramayana and this also talks about the Word. Originally the Ramayana was written in Sanskrit even before Ram came, like the Old Testament was written before Jesus came, yet this Old Testament also talked about the Word. They were written in different languages. Some were written in Sanskrit, some were written in Hindi, some were written in Urdu, some were written in English, and some were


written in many other languages. But they all talk about the Word.

Now one thing that interests me particularly is this Word and what is this Word? Now, I have realized it, but other people are not understanding what this Word which is common to all actually is. Though we believe in Jesus or Ram or Krishna or Mohammed, whoever we believe in, we have to believe in one God. So who is this God that we have to ultimately believe in; He is our ultimatum; He is our goal; He is our all. Who is this God? This God is energy, it's the real and the only source of energy that is making everything vibrate in the world, from a little ant to a big elephant. Even the air on which we have made ourselves. See, we human beings think ourselves big and proud because we have invented a 747, but if there are air pockets it might crash. You can put millions and millions and billions of dollars into one jet and if there is no air, it cannot fly. You have got the seventh fleet, but if the sea water soaks up it can't go anywhere. We have got cannons but if the iron melts down they cannot fire. So actually, ultimately, everything is based on nature. Though we think we have produced so many artificial things, actually they are all based on nature.

We have got generators, but if the air finishes or if the diesel finishes, there is going to be no generator which can produce electricity for us. In India, electricity is produced by water running through big, big things and making the whole thing rotate. Now if the water soaks up, how will this machine run? We think ourselves so proud to have invented this thing, but actually what we have invented is nothing, because just like a mad person does, we took some things from different places and put them together. There is one mad boy in our ashram in Delhi and he goes all round the ashram. From some place he collects his pens and from another place he collects his papers and from other places he collects so many things, and man has done the same, and he is crazy because it's not going to give him anything. Those pens don't write. In the same way man is also so crazy that he has invented the bomb and doesn't know that he also will be a victim of his bomb. See? Suppose the Americans have produced so many bombs, they think they will destroy Russia. Russia thinks they will destroy America. China thinks they will destroy India. India thinks they will destroy China. But all of them are being destroyed. These are the reasons why we know this is how the world is going to end. We simply can't help it and that's the way a mad man acts. He knows it is wrong for him but he can't help it. If he is going to smash his hand or bite his hand, he knows it is going to pain him. He knows this is a painful thing and he shouldn't do it, but he just can't help it, he is out of control, he is out of his mind. In the same way, man knows all these things are going to destroy him, they are not going to do anything good, they are going to destroy. So many beautiful islands were simply destroyed because there were so many bomb tests. So much pollution is happening also. We feel very happy to produce things, but what the results of those things are, we simply don't understand. I am not a political leader to be talking about all these things, but there are things that are going to protect man. If a man is walking somewhere and he has got no clothes and it is snowing, he is going to be dead. Actually, what he is internally is a flame, an internal flame. But with no clothes the eternal flame can't work, because that internal flame, that soul of ours, works inside the body and makes the body function. No soul, no body. No body, the soul is still there but how is it going to function? If we want to do some good work, we need to protect our body. That's why a general or a major or a colonel is always protected from going in the front during the war. Otherwise he could just go in first and be shot. But he always stays behind, protects himself and gives orders. Why should he protect himself? So that he can stay longer, be more experienced and give better directions.

So now a time has come when everything is coming before us. Strange things we never knew of, strange diseases, strange things going on, and man has come to this stage now, finally, where he has started experiencing this Knowledge. He is doing this because he is realizing something. Scientists, when they took the atom, the smallest particle, and broke it, light and energy came out. What is this energy? So now scientists have started asking what is this energy, what actually is this thing that is making everything vibrate. Doctors think themselves so good, but heart attacks are out of their control. They are working day and night to protect people from them, and day and night thousands and thousands of people are being killed by them. So what is it? You see, everyone has got a different role to play in the world. Saints have got a role, scientists have got a different role. Doctors have got a role, engineers have got a different role. Presidents have got a role, Prime Ministers have got a different role. A saint has got to play his role around the world. A president is not international, but a saint is. Just like in England there was Shakespeare, there was one Indian writer who was like Shakespeare and his name was Kalidas. He was completely uneducated and he wrote so many beautiful things. He said, "A king can only be praised in his own country, but a saint can be praised everywhere he goes." The powers of a prime minister or a president or a king are limited, but the saint has got a power that is unlimited,


and that is the power of the Knowledge. If you go to India and walk into my school, in each classroom there is a picture of Jesus Christ. Why not a picture of Ram? It is because Jesus is internationally respected. I have seen many places here in the West that have pictures of Ram. They are not Hindus, but they have pictures of Him, because He was a saint and they respect His Knowledge, if not His body. But what is He? He is not body, He is energy, He is soul, He is that perfect energy that He gives you.

So now what we have to understand is that there are two levels. One is a recognized level, one is an unrecognized level. One level is that which knows this Knowledge. He who is on this level understands everything, everything is clear for him. The other level is the level of ignorance. If there are two cars and one has got headlights on it and one hasn't got headlights, as long as there is daylight, there will be nothing wrong with either of the cars, but as soon as it becomes dark only one car will be able to work. Which car? Only that car which has got headlights on it is going to do any work at night. This can go around at night and that's that. As long as a person is rich and young and has something of his own to do, he is happy, he is okay. But one day darkness is going to come and only those people who have got this light will be able to make their way through this world. Other people will just have to park and wait for twelve hours. Do you see?

When I was coming from Bombay to Delhi there was a Mercedes that was presented by premies and I was bringing it from Bombay to Delhi … there was this whole convoy of cars because many Indian cars are produced in Bombay. The whole convoy of cars was coming along and none of them had headlights because they had not been fitted, they were in the boot. So they all had to wait the whole night on the roadside. But we just drove on because we had headlights, and they just had to park their cars. They could go when it was daylight. So, we were self-sufficient and could go at night-time as well as day-time. Now, if a man is like that, if a man has got headlights, if he has got this Knowledge, if he has got this light, he can go anywhere in darkness and in light. He can go everywhere. If your car is an ordinary car you can take it some place and another place you can't take it. You can't take it on rocks, for instance, but a jeep with a four wheel drive – you can take it anywhere. If ordinary cars get stuck in mud and all four tyres start sinking, then you have got no chance. But some cars have got this hook which the driver can take and hook onto a tree or something and then start the motor and the car comes out of the mud. So this is the precise thing, we should be like a car which is so self-sufficient that you just press a button, it lifts up and goes anywhere, under water, anywhere. And if you realize this Knowledge you can be self-sufficient. We can bear any hardship. When a hardship comes to another man, it just blows him to pieces. And he can't face that. Why is this Knowledge required by the whole world? Because everyone is blowing out on these problems. A man starts a business and he should be happy because he has started a business. But he is not, because he doesn't know whether this business is going to work out in the next week or not. Many things are going on. Even if you drive a new car you can have problems. When I was going from New York to England, I sat in a Jumbo which had just been taken out from the hangar. It was brand new, it just came from where it was manufactured. It came to New York and this was the first flight it had to do, from New York to England. And I was sitting in it and it went on the runway, then stopped and turned round and came back and parked. I asked, "What's the matter?" They said the radio doesn't work. New plane, they spend billions and billions of dollars, and the radio doesn't work! So, no matter how much wealth you have, until you are in the perfect vibration you are not going to be happy anyway.

If you want to fly, say up to one thousand feet, and the mountains there are seven thousand feet, you cannot fly securely over them, can you? When you crash into one of them you can't fly any more. But our Lord, our God, is one vibration. It is flowing infinitely. It is endless, it is perfect. Our vibrations are imperfect and they are flowing at a very low frequency. Unless someone gives us extra power to lead us up to the higher frequency where we can run smoothly, we cannot be at the infinite stage. But once we are at the infinite stage that's the principle that Jesus talks about; "You shall not perish, you shall not die, you shall not finish, you will go into the infinite frequency, you will be one with God." That's the way you get to be one with God. There is this frequency and there is no duality. Because as long as there is duality in this world there can be no peace. Duality just cannot bring about peace. Simple thing! In India, there was this problem, the English and Hindi problem. And part of this is because some of the students don't want to study so they just boom about thinking all these things. So this part of the college said, "O.K., we want a vacation, so what should we do? We should go on strike. And what is the reason we should go on strike for?" They couldn't find a fault in the school so what they did is, they told the other part of the school, "We will strike against you. You say you want English, we will say we want Hindi. We will both fight, we won't do anything, we will just say you want English and we want Hindi. And that's what we'll


do." And in Dehra Dun, where my residence is, this boy said, "O.K., English, Hindi, English, Hindi", and a fight started. And you know what they started doing? They used to sit on the roadside and hold a bucket of pebbles, hard rocks, and any car with an English number plate, they just threw them at it. They just broke all the mirrors. And one day there was a boy from one group and a boy from the other group and they were both friends. One was sitting in the corner drinking his tea and the other was writing something. And on this one's pen was a name written in English and the other boy said, "Rub it out," and he didn't so he took his knife and stabbed him right there.

But the brigadier was there, he is a very good man, and what he did, in six hours he spread out all his military all over Dehra Dun and he told them that if they see anyone with pebbles, they must just shoot them down. Nothing else, just shoot them down. Immediately there were no students on the roadside! Nothing happened. But still there is duality. Russia is one nation and America is another nation, and then there are other nations. If all the nations are separated, then there must be something separating them. One must be here, one must be here and one must be here. But they are all in one world, they are all on one globe. There are no different globes. You don't take a different globe for Africa, a different globe for America. You take one globe for the whole world because the world is one. But because we don't realize it there is the idea of duality in us. That's why there is so much unpeace going on. My point is this. You are not the president of nations, neither are you the generals of nations. I'm just talking to you, explaining the situation. If you give water to the root it will automatically go to the leaves. If I tell something to the people, it will automatically go to the presidents.

So now, understand what is this perfect Knowledge, and those people who have understood it, meditate on it. You must understand it more, because when you get food you don't just say, "O.K, I've got it, why should I eat it?" Getting it is not your point, eating it is your point. You get it then you eat it. If you get it and don't eat it, no difference. You got this Knowledge, meditate on it. And see how it helps you, how it elevates you, how it powers you to go up, to spread upwards. There is going to be a big programme on the 6th, so come there, you will be able to hear some more. And after this Bal Bhagwan Ji is going to Europe, I am going to Japan and there will be mahatmas who will give you satsang. So try to understand them. Bal Bhagwan ji is not going to return; He is going on to India to arrange everything for the November programme. So now those people who have realized this Knowledge, meditate, and those who haven't, try to realize it. It's an international thing. It's something internal. If rain comes, or maybe I jump into a pool, I get wet but not the Knowledge. If I go into the sun, I feel hot but not the Knowledge. If I come through customs I am checked but not the Knowledge. Hindus have taken the Knowledge, Christians have taken it, anyone can take it. It's like water and everyone can drink water; there is no problem drinking water. In the same way this Knowledge. Premies who meditate on it will feel how beautiful it is. Now, I don't have to do many things, so if you have got any sensible questions, ask.

My Lord, you have given me so much grace but I still feel wretched. Can I have more?

Hum! Some can be given, but some you will have to develop for yourself. When you put four by four into your car, power comes, but more power is given by the accelerator. Press it and more power comes. You have been given one power; meditate and you will be uplifted. Yes?

Guru Maharaj Ji, people I talk to who are not premies think that you're just trying to get your disciples' money and they think all you care about is big cars. I try so hard to explain to them but I don't know the best way.

You must tell them that Maharaj Ji's Knowledge does not lie in His big cars and does not lie in His television. It lies within Him and it lies within you. Whatever Maharaj Ji does, what has that to do with you? You want to receive Knowledge. If some man serves you coffee and he walks with his head down and his feet up you don't say, "I am not going to drink that coffee because he's walking in that way," you drink the coffee. You don't drink the man, you drink the coffee. If they are going to get me, then they must have a place where they are going to keep the bulky car. I haven't got a bulky car actually, this is a rented car. And if they are going to get my Knowledge, that's within them. Just try to explain to them.

Is yours the only way?

I don't say that.

I know.

See, you must realize that there is only one way, there is only one way to God. God is one, He has got one address, not two or three or four or


Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji in 1972

five addresses. When you say Allah in Urdu, Bhagwan in Hindi, God in English, you are indicating one power not three powers. So to realize God, there is only one way. You can look at these bulbs from all different sides because they are stationary things. But God is not stationary, He is everywhere. Understand? So the main thing is, there is only one way to see God because God is one and you see Him through the Third Eye and the Third Eye is one. You see? You know that Jesus said when the eye will be one … something like that, when the eye will be single. Why should it be single, why not two? Because God is one and to look at Him is one thing. One form. With these two eyes I can look at much more area and my concentration does not go to one thing, it goes to different things. But when my eye will be single I can only be concentrating on one God, not two or three Gods and not reflections of God but one who is the main one, who is the energy, understand?

So realize it. It's not a question of, "Oh, if I take this Knowledge, what will happen?' No, I am very practical. I don't go into many scriptures, but I take a dish, I put three types of fruit in it, two are artificial and one is real, and I give it to you and say, "O.K., tell me which is the real fruit." Now it's not such a thing where you bring your astrological charts and start calculating which degree one fruit is kept in and which degree another fruit is kept in so you can tell which is real and which is artificial. What is the practical thing? You eat it. You understand? When kings in the ancient days used to be suspicious about being poisoned, they did not take a big old junky thing and try to experiment with the poison. No, what they used to do is, they used to get a dog and give him some food to eat, so if there was poison in it he would die, and if not he wouldn't die. This Knowledge is here. It's within you. Other gurus are not disappearing from the world. They are there, so you take this Knowledge and take their knowledge and see what is the real Knowledge. Then you will be able to know for sure.

Guru Maharaj Ji, I had a lot of doubts and a lot of people I know still have the same doubts about the strictness of the ashram. I would like to know what to say to them about why this has to be.


They feel you're on a control trip.

Now you see, God is the controller, it is His control trip. Why do you only see with your eyes, why not with your mouth or with your nose? Why only with eyes? You talk about it being a control trip, then why do you only see with your eyes and not with your mouth? Why? Because that's the way things are, and that's the way things are going to be, understand? A man who sees through his mouth, you are not going to call him a man, you are going to call him a monster! A man must see through his eyes, that's the way it must be. Ashram has to be ashram. Ashram is not a motel. An ashram is an ashram and an ashram has got something of soul in it. You don't go into a church and just start sleeping there and drinking your coffee there. You don't do that, do you? A church is a church, a temple is a temple, you are strict about doing certain things there. Understand? You go to church, you pray, you meditate, you read something, you understand something, and you become more spiritual, right? Why should there be so much strictness? We are the children of God and this is the house of God, that's why there should be so much strictness. That's the way it has to be, that's why.

What is confusing, though, is that some of the ashram people say the whole world should be like the ashram.

If the whole world can be like that, it will be fantastic! There is so much desperation around the world. I read advertisements encouraging people to smoke. And there is an ashram regulation saying, "Do not smoke", so if that happens all the way round the world, it will be fantastic. No drugs, nothing like that. Everyone neat and clean and active. It will be fantastic!

What about celibacy?

Well, this is a question about something that has gone beyond the bounds where it should be. It should be more controlled. Anything else? Yes?

Can this Knowledge be given to mentally retarded people?

The question is only of understanding. God has created all things and all things must be utilized. God has created different types of nature and all the natures must be utilized. God has crated intellect and it must be utilized for the good. God has created anger and it must be utilized for the good, because if someone comes to you and tries to kill you, you've got to tell him not to do it and you must be angry with him. If someone does something bad, if someone kicks a holy book and you don't get angry with him, the next time he is going to kick it again, right? A little bit of anger, a little bit of everything, makes a beautiful combination. A little bit of intellect and a little bit of understanding that what we require is this Knowledge. And everyone who is a man and who understands that he requires the Knowledge, can by all means receive it. Yes?

How does God create?

You must go into his factory, you must go to God and ask Him, "How do you create?" See, who is God? God is not a man. If God is not a man He is not an individual. This man here is an individual, right? But he cannot create himself into different forms, right? So God is not like him, God is almighty. That's why I say God is beyond intellect. Understand this. If God is God, how does He create all this? God has got no hands, so how does He do it? God is omnipotent, right? Man feels himself to be very intelligent but if one thing comes that he doesn't understand he just blows out on it! If a flying saucer comes it just blows him out because he doesn't know what it is. This is the thing that blows man out. He understands that God has got no hands, that God is energy and that God is omnipotent. But how can He be omnipotent if He has got no hands, how can He create so many things? If you go to a wax museum where they produce these wax statues, you'll see they are creating things just like human beings! So, if God has got no hands how does He create all this? He has got a machine, and this is how He creates! But to understand all this is beyond intellect, you must be right in that frequency, understand? If a man is standing outside, he doesn't know what is on top of the roof, does he? Why not? Because his eyes are not at that level. When his eyes are at that level he'll be able to see, right? In the same way, a man is not at that level where he can see what God is doing, but when he will be at that level, then he will be able to know if you can be God. Yes?

What is the cause of individuality or personality? You are a realized person, you have realized this Knowledge, your Brother also has realized this Knowledge, and your Mother and your other Brothers have also realized. You are all souls from the same energy, so you are the same thing, yet we can all recognize you as being different and having different roles.


Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji in 1972 You know this pretty song that premies have made, "We are one in the spirit", hmm? That gives the answer to the question. Different bodies, one in the spirit. If ten cars are manufactured, right, all ten might have different things in them. Maybe one car is custom made and has air-conditioning. Maybe they are Plymouth Chryslers. One car has got air-conditioning and one car has got no air-conditioning, but they have all got V-8 engines, right? An engineer knows that there is no difference between these cars, but another man doesn't know. Understand? There are two ways of looking at a thing: looking into a thing and looking at the outside of a thing. If you look into a thing you will see that it is the same. Look outside, and he is Mahatma Gurucharnanand, he is Bihari Singh, he is Mahatma Ashokanand and so on. But look into him, understand who Mahatma Gurucharnanand is. His soul does not own a name. One thing is important and that is the soul. One who looks into the soul understands.

Is there a purpose, then, for different talents? Like some cars have different equipment; some are little compacts and some are big luxury cars.

No, I'm talking about one series of cars, say the Mercedes 220. Now, they have all got one four-cylinder engine, right? A Mercedes 220 with power steering and a Mercedes 220 without power steering both have the same engine. A Mercedes 220 with air-conditioning and a Mercedes 220 without air-conditioning both have the same engine. It will not make any difference. An engineer knows there is no real difference between 220's, but someone who is not an engineer will say, "Oh yes, there is a difference. This car has got air-conditioning and that the other car hasn't!" Do you understand? But if you are at the high frequency where everything is on the infinite level from which everything has been moulded into a different shape, then duality does not exist. How did duality actually start? I must explain it to you, it is very interesting. Man produced a language, he made a language, right? And then he understood, "I am man, he is man, everybody is man." He understood "I", "me", "you". Then he started producing things and then he became selective. This belongs to me, this belongs to you. This was the beginning of ego, ego is the beginning of duality, duality is the beginning of individuality and this is what leads to fighting. This became more strong, I, you, me, he, and his, all that, and now it has moulded into such a shape that even if you will get one single cent out of it you will say that this is mine! One single cent – this is mine! So this is the actual beginning of duality, of individual things. We are all so many different shapes but we have got one spirit, we all function in one way. He has got a moustache, Mahatma Ji hasn't got a moustache. He breathes, Mahatma Ji breathes. Right? They both take breath. What is the shape of his breath and what is the shape of his breath? Nothing different, right? In the same way, we all have different shapes but are one thing. One thing vibrates and that is why we are all human. And if you realize it more, then you can understand it more.

Since meditation is so very important, my Lord, could you please speak about it?

Well, meditation is something really practical, and speaking is speaking. This is an internal thing. When you practise something daily … have you


seen a baby when the parents start teaching the baby how to walk, the first day he walks, the baby gets hurt, he doesn't know how to do it right. The next day maybe he doesn't get so hurt, he is learning a little bit. On the third day you still have to catch his hand though he knows a bit more, then on the fourth day he knows a bit more, and on the fifth day a bit more. After some time he starts running, he runs like anything and eventually he reaches the stage where he is perfect, right? In the same way, maybe on the first day you don't get anything, the next day maybe just a little bit, next day a little bit more, the fourth day a bit more and so on and so on, and then you reach the final stage. And then the final stage comes where you get taken up into that one perfect altitude. See, when an aeroplane is cruising, you don't know whether it is cruising or not, it just reaches its own altitude and stays at that altitude. That's the meditation, that is gaining something. You meditate and the more you meditate the higher you get and then you join that frequency where you become infinite. Understand this. This is the whole thing about meditation. Meditation is actually concentrating on something. Real concentration is meditation, so what to concentrate upon? There is only one thing that we can concentrate on, only one thing which is the most interesting thing.

I remember one boy who came to me, in America I think it was. Yes, in America. And he had taken so much acid, so much LSD. And so many other things, that he asked me "Have you taken LSD?" and I said, "No" and then he said, "How can you know that LSD's experience is not so big as the Knowledge experience?" I said, "If I walk into a car company and I say, 'Give me a Mercedes 600', and another man comes along who has got a 280 and asks me, 'How do you know a 280 is smaller than a 600?' and I say, 'Yours is 280 and mine is 600, so naturally 600 is bigger.' Natural sense, common sense. That's all it is. Right?" It's just common sense. It just comes to me, this is how I explain that Knowledge you cannot limit. My Knowledge is so big it hasn't even got a name. So big is it. It is infinitely bigger than LSD. LSD is just a small tablet, I have such a big Knowledge, infinite Knowledge. And so then he understood how this Knowledge is much bigger than LSD. If you realise it you will be able to understand it perfectly. Once you have reached the stage of perfection, this is a very beautiful stage. It is really just so wonderful if you join that highest frequency, so beautiful because then you have got one vibration. Right now ten thousand different things are working on you at one time, and you really get messed up, but then only one thing works on you and it really purifies you, it really gives you the blessed experience. It is such a far out thing. Is there any other question?

After we receive Knowledge we must meditate, and have devotion and do service.

Now when you have a lot of spare time as I do, is it wrong to read the Bible and the Gita, or any of these beautiful things?

No it's not. You see, when you drive a car, if you drink a cup of tea, is it wrong to drink a cup of tea? Or let's say orange, many people drink that, or say Fanta. Let's say you take a Fanta bottle inside your car, is it wrong? It won't affect your car, will it?

It might affect your driving.

No, you see only a man who is experienced will do it. Inexperienced people are even afraid to take their hand off the steering wheel. So in the same way, when we receive this Knowledge, that starts the engine working, right? Whatever you eat, it doesn't matter, it doesn't affect you. It doesn't affect the Knowledge at all, you understand? The engine just runs and runs and runs. The steering wheel might affect your direction, but not the engine, it doesn't matter how much Fanta you drink, it won't go into the engine.

How should we give satsang, Guru Maharaj Ji? Should we give different kinds of satsang to different people.

Yes, there is a style in giving satsang and some people are not familiar with it. If I give satsang to premies, right, and then I go to my school and I give satsang to my teachers, I don't say "Dear premies, this and that," do I? I say, "Dear teachers," right? Of course. Now there is one theme that I tell them, and there is a different theme that I tell premies. What I do with them is I ask them questions, I don't give them answers, I ask them questions. What is the highest point in your life, eh? Questions like this. But I don't ask premies, "What is the highest point in your life?" They will say, "Yes, I know that." When I am with my teachers I ask them, and when they can't answer, or they give the wrong answer, then I tell them. If he says such and such a thing, then I tell him, "No, this is it." So it is a different style. When I meet my friend, I'll tell him in a different way; and if I meet my relatives, I'll tell them in a different way; and when I meet different people, I'll tell them in a different way. Many times it happens that I'm sitting in a plane and a man walks up to me and says, "May I ask you a question?" I say, "Go ahead," and I don't know


who this man is, because it's the first time I'm seeing him, right? And we both start talking. I don't talk to him too much, mostly he talks to me and I am understanding what type of man he is, because some types of people are very strange. And you want to know what kind of person they are, and they'll want to talk, so you let them talk. And what do I do? I sit quietly and let them talk and talk and talk. And then they stop, and then I'll tell them something. Everybody is ready for the introduction, but in a different style. Yes?

Could you explain the nature of grace?

Common sense is uncommon. What do you think grace is?

I'm not sure, that's why I ask you.

But sure, you know what grace is. Haven't you gone through high school? Surely you have read this word in your dictionary or somewhere, so you've known what the meaning is.

Everything you talk about is very logical, but grace is something illogical.

Everything I talk about is logical, and grace is logical. So what is grace? Have you heard about power and extra power? Have you heard about tyres, and radial tyres? Have you heard about steering, and power steering? What's the difference between steering and power steering, mm? Well, let's leave that and come to a practical example. If my car gets stuck in sand, and all four wheels go down, first of all, if I am in the fourth gear, I put it into third, right? And then into second, and then into first. That's my effort, it doesn't work. Then I put it into reverse. That's my effort too, right, and it doesn't work. All my efforts don't work. Then I take this hook, I hook the car onto a tree and try to roll it out. But it doesn't work, and that's my effort again, and it doesn't work. Then I tell someone to bring a crane, that's not my effort, I just tell him to bring the crane. He brings the crane, picks up the car, pulls it out, and that's his effort. And that's called grace. So if we try to do meditation, it doesn't work out, try to do some more, it doesn't work out, try to do some more, it doesn't work out, ask the mahatmas, it doesn't work out, get a Knowledge review, it doesn't work out. Then comes the grace, pushes it away, throws it out, out of the sand. Yes?

I have been told that if you are meditating on the Word then you do no wrong actions, but it seems to me that sometimes people might be meditating on the Word, and they can still do wrong actions.

No, no. See, this can't be. If there are two people, both driving cars. One gets in an accident, and one doesn't. They are both drivers, why should one have an accident and not the other? They are both drivers. Why? Because one is not trained, and one is perfectly trained. That man who is perfectly trained, who is just perfect in meditation, does not do a wrong action. But there is a limit, to err is human. This is the same for all of them, otherwise they all become gods. This is the difference between gods and human beings. Human man has to perform some errors, but a man who is in this Knowledge does not perform so many errors, or does not perform such an error that will become a really huge thing, you understand? But the man who does not have this Knowledge, might perform a really huge error. That's the point. That's the whole thing. Who told you that a man who has this Knowledge does not perform a wrong action?

I don't remember, just somebody said that if you are meditating on the Word, then you can't perform a wrong action, that everything you do will be perfect.

Yes, it can be perfect, but only if you go on to that highest frequency. Then it's perfect. Yes?

For whom do you recommend ashram life?

For whom? Everybody, of course. For human beings, not chimpanzees. But first they must have no obligations, and they must want to dedicate their whole life.

Guru Maharaj Ji, will everybody realise this Knowledge, whether they live in ashrams or not?

Sure, I don't live in an ashram, do I? I was born in an ashram, and now I live in an ashram, but most of the time when I was studying, when I was doing my education, I wasn't in ashram, I was just in a residence. And I know this Knowledge, I have realised this Knowledge. I give it to people. Yes?

My Lord, sometimes I get confused about service, and how to do service.

Now listen, sometimes I also get confused about why Americans should be so confused. Only Americans. I can't understand this. Maybe they are too high powered, maybe their motor rotates at a higher speed. Now what do you get confused about?

I get confused about which service I should be doing as a devotee.


Common sense is uncommon. Now just what do you think is appropriate for you to do? Now if you want to drive a plane, and you don't know how to drive a plane, then that won't be useful service for you. You must know what to do. If you know how to work as a housemother in an ashram, then work as a housemother. If you don't want to stay in an ashram, then do satsang. Right? Common sense is uncommon. Yes?

Guru Maharaj Ji can you tell us something about the nature of nectar, why it's there, and why it comes?

Hmm, why? Can you answer me what's 'why'?

Well, why does it come sooner in some people than in others?

The nectar is there and the nectar flows, right? And why does it flow? Stop it. If it's wrong, stop it flowing. If it's O.K. then don't ask the question 'why?' If your farm needs water, and water comes into your farm, you don't say, "Why is water coming into my farm?" You don't say 'why?' do you? Now if your whole land doesn't need water, and water comes in, then you say 'why?' You say, "Why is water coming?" Then you can stop the water. If you don't like the nectar, stop it. If you like it, go ahead, there is no question of 'why?' What do you mean 'why?' 'Why?' is a question that obligates something. Why were you driving over speed? 'Why?' It means you shouldn't do that, and you were doing it. Understand? Why are you wearing glasses? You shouldn't be wearing glasses, and you are wearing glasses. See, my eyes are weak, that's why I am wearing glasses. Why are the wheels rotating? Because they should rotate. Why must you do something? Why? Now if the world was being created, and God was just recently creating you and me, and you were asking, "God, why are you putting nectar into man?" There is no need for that question, it has already been put. So there is no sense in asking the question 'why?'. You can put it, no doubt, everyone is free to have any question he wants in his brain, but 'why?' is not a sensible question. It doesn't make any sense. Because 'why?' is not going to do anything, it is not going to help anything. Why is it there? It is there, because you should have it. Understand, God is not crazy. God has got something about Him. He is giving it to you because He knows you need it. That's why. In South Africa I was driving, and the radio was on, and this man was commentating, and he said, "This world has got so many questions to it, and where did yesterday go?" Where did yesterday go? And we just laughed and laughed and laughed. Where did yesterday go? And he said, "It disappeared, where did it go?" Very intelligent question.

You see, some people gamble. They gamble because they want to, they have got this interest and they gamble. Some people play cards, some people do one thing and some people do something else. But there are some people who can't do anything, so what do they do? They ask 'why?' "Where did yesterday go?" They ask and ask and ask, but they'll never find out anything. Any more questions?

Guru Maharaj Ji, if the ultimate in devotion is to form complete detachment from worldly things, and to devote our lives to doing service for You, should we just avoid all attachments, and not make them, attachments like husbands and wives and children?

No you shouldn't. Have you any sense in you? Can't you think anything, don't you have a brain in you? What do all these things mean? What does complete detachment mean? Do you know what is a sannyasi? Do you know what is a sannyasi, it is one who has given away everything. There is a very good story about this king, and this king one day thought that this other king is going to invade my kingdom. He is going to come, and he's going to slaughter so many thousands and thousands of people. So much slaughter is going to take place unnecessarily, he thought. So he just decided to become a sannyasi, and he said, "O.K. I am going to leave everything and go into the jungle." So one day this king went into the jungle, see. But the queen knew what was happening, and she knew that the other king was going to come and invade the whole country. So what did she do? She just changed herself, and went into the jungle dressed as a king, and said, "O.K. what are you doing?" He was her husband, but the king never knew, "This is my wife", and she did not act as if, "This is my husband." She just acted like a king. So she said, "O.K. what are you doing?" He said, "O.K. I am a sannyasi, and I have left everything." "Have you?" she said. Now he had a little bucket type of thing, and she said, "To whom does this belong?" and he said, "To me." And she said, "Well if you are a sannyasi, if you have left everything, then why do you have this thing?" He said, "You are right," and he threw it away. Then she said, "To whom does this but belong?" He said, "To me." She said, "If you are a sannyasi, and you have left everything, then why


have you a hut?" And he said, "Yes", and he just burned it down. "Ultimately", she said to him, "to whom does this body belong?" and he said, "To me." And she said, "If you are a sannyasi, if you have left everything, then why do you have this body?" And he became confused. Then she explained, "No, what is a real sannyasi, what is real detachment is detachment from your mind, is detachment from your desires. You need certain things. You have to get them even if you go into the Himalayas, or into the Alps to meditate, you will have to have certain things. When Buddha was fasting and meditating, and His body was so thin there was just nothing left, He looked like a few bones. Now Indra, the God of heaven, sent a girl down to play some music for Him, to disturb Him in His meditation, because Buddha was getting so high, He was shaking the whole thing up there. And this girl actually knew why Indra sent her, to disturb Buddha from His meditation, and she was a little afraid of Him. "If I disturb Him," she thought, "He might curse me." So what she did was to start playing a beautiful melody, a melody that said, "Don't tighten the strings of your sitar too much, because they might break. Don't loosen them so much, because they will not play. Tune them so that they might vibrate in perfect tune." And this shook Buddha's brain, and then He went out and that's when He met Sujata who gave Him Knowledge, and then He started preaching. Buddha, the only saint from the east who has done some prachar. Rama and Krishna came but They didn't do any prachar, They didn't spread this Word to anyone. Even though They were both kings. So this is the main thing you see, what detachment is required, is detachment from desires. Desires are the things that make us so unhappy. We have got infinite desires in us. One desire finishes, and another desire comes, that desire finishes and immediately another desire comes. So that thing which just produces more desires, should be the thing to be detached from. Understand?

But Guru Maharaj Ji, if we all come to this place of unity, won't there also be a unity of desires?

But you have unity of desires now, don't you? Don't you have one common desire to drink water when you feel thirsty. The whole world is disunited. If you feel thirsty, you drink water. If you feel hungry, you eat something. Why? You shouldn't do that because you are disunited. Americans and Vietnamese haven't got good relations, they are not united together. Now, the Vietnamese eat food when they are hungry, so Americans shouldn't eat food when they are hungry, or if Americans eat food when they are hungry, then the Vietnamese shouldn't. No, it is a common thing. Common desires have got to be there. See? When we all get united, then there will be no egos troubling us. No slaughtering people. Have you understood? You see, I have come now and this is going to happen. What is good for us is going to happen.

Guru Maharaj Ji, since there is one God for all, when we finally unite and become one with God, then is there a higher power who controls all of us, or is there just one that we are united to?

See there are no l's and you's and me's and he's in that place. There are rivers going into the ocean, right? There is a Ganges river, it flows into the ocean. When it goes into the ocean, where is the river? Has it disappeared? No, it has become part of the ocean. When we get away, when we become one with God, then we don't have any individuality, because originally we didn't have any individuality, right? And when we become one with God then again we don't have any individuality. That's the whole thing, you understand?

Guru Maharaj Ji, to do service in the ashram, I have been told that you must have short hair and wear a shirt and tie and look very clean. Now many long-haired people in America don't understand whether you want them to cut their hair, or whether the mahatmas want them to cut their hair, or whether other premies want them to cut their hair.

You think your hair is God?

Of course not.

Then what's the trouble in cutting it? It doesn't cause you any pain does it?

Well, the ego …

The ego must be destroyed completely. See, I am going to tell you one thing. Why do we need this rule? Sometimes we have to see business people to talk about things, right? Suppose we've got a staff together for 'And It's Divine' magazine, mm? And all the staff have long hair, suppose, right? and suppose they have to go to a place to do some talking about it, right? Now the first man who sees them will immediately say they are hippies, even if they are not. These relationships are very strange things, see? Now if a premie goes like a civilised man, I shouldn't use the word civilised, if he is like, you know, with his hair cut and so on, and he goes to see a business man, then the busi-


Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji in 1972

ness man will immediately respond to him, understand? Take Gary; Gary had long hair, so did Bruce; they used to wear kurta and pyjamas, but when I went to South Africa they all had ties on, and everybody was responding to them, because they thought, "Oh they have got the same dress, the same haircut, they are wearing ties, we have got our haircut, we wear ties, it means we are common, it means we are the same. If they are realising this Knowledge, then we can realise it too." Like that, they made them understand. Maybe in South Africa there are more ego trips than in this country. There is much gold there, you know, so they are very much into gold. So when the premies began to dress like that, there was a very quick response, and so when I got there, there were so many premies. That was the thing. There was a doctor who wrote an article saying that there are two thousand years of civilisation, one thousand going up and one thousand coming down, and now we're coming down. And maintaining civilisation is becoming a really unique thing, because when people were primitive they had long hair and they used to wear leather jackets, and today people again are having long hair and have started to wear leather jackets. Understand? All the primitive things are coming back now. A thousand years up, a thousand years down. Civilisation is equal. So this is what's happening now. Many premies have long hair when they receive Knowledge, and at first they say, "Oh no effect." They think this is just a trip or something like that. They think Divine Light Mission is just a trip, and nothing for them really. But then, later, you see them and they have cut their hair. Then there was this boy, Ron. I am going to give you a practical example. When I was coming to New York with Mata Ji, was it Mata Ji? Maybe I came with Bhole Ji and Raja Ji, I don't remember very well. I was just coming into New York, and there was this limousine that was supposed to be there to pick us up, and the limousine didn't turn up at the proper time, so Ron had to bring his car, and immediately he cut his hair, and came there with his car and drove us back. When he drove us back, his father was there, and his father had never seen him with his hair cut, and his father just embraced him. Why? Because of the way he looked. Ron used to talk a lot about this Knowledge, but his father never really understood, but that day when that change came, he understood more. He said, "Ron, there is a change in you." Yes?

Jesus Christ wore long hair and weird clothes.

That's because there were no hair cutting


machines at that time. Now there are. O.K. Now this is an interesting subject. Jesus had long hair and you want to become Jesus Christ, right? So grow your hair long, right? You have long hair and you are not Jesus, are you? You are not Jesus. Jesus was Jesus. Jesus was a high personality. Jesus was not judged by His hair, He was judged by His Knowledge, right?

Guru Maharaj Ji, as a middle-aged premie, I would like to compliment you on your stand, on the order you have put into the ashrams. After all, we have to deal with the people of the world, and if you are going to deal with only the young people, what about the older people who want to receive the Knowledge, who can't relate to the level of long hair and what not?

Yes, I understand that. Any more questions?

What happens to a person's karma when they receive the Knowledge?

It chokes up, it starts choking up. It starts finishing up, because when you realise the Knowledge you've got to go and be one with God, and if you had bad karma maybe you would have to go and become a donkey, right? According to your karma you would have to become a donkey. But according to this Knowledge, now you are going to go and be with God, because now you have this Knowledge, your karma of being a donkey, I want to abolish it, and instead you are going to go and be one with God, right?

Guru Maharaj Ji, should we make a point of giving satsang to our parents?

Well yes, but try to help them, try to be as they are. I mean try to help them with their business and so on, and then give them satsang, and they will understand you much better. This is the very practical thing, I am not joking really. This Ron I was talking about, this fellow Ron, and another fellow, Angelo, he went to his father and his father heard satsang and satsang and satsang. Because he was a business man, and Angelo also was a business man, so his father knew all about his obligations. Both were together. Oh, there are many ways you can work out these things. Sometimes you can't give satsang to your parents, sometimes you can't help it. Whatever you do they just won't relate to you, they won't understand you.

Guru Maharaj Ji, if this is the end of the thousand year cycle, what happens when it's over? Will everybody have this Knowledge?

Well, there are many prophesies you know, really strong ones. One prophesy says that in the months of November and December of this year, in the last months of this year, truth is going to rule over evil. Another one says that the time is very, very near. It has approached almost to the point where the Lord, the Lord who manifested Himself a long time ago, will now spark before the people. So one prophesy is like this and the other prophesy is like that, and there are other prophesies, and I can see them all coming true.

What does it feel like to be Lord of the Universe?

No feeling, no feeling at all. One with the highest frequency. Yes?

Guru Maharaj Ji, you spoke earlier on, very scientifically, about grace and what it was, but what's the method for receiving that extra power?

When everything just feels down, you just lean down and automatically it comes and lifts you up. Or maybe you just ask for it.

Lord, I would like Your grace.

O.K. Yes?

If our father is a satisfied Catholic, or our friend is satisfied with transcendental meditation, should we try to give these people satsang?

No. There will come a time when they will ask you a question, and then when they ask that question, tell them, "If you are satisfied with your own religion, if you are satisfied with your own meditation, why do you ask a question? A man who is satisfied with his religion, who is satisfied with his meditation, doesn't ask a question." He should just sit and meditate and be really high. A man can't hide his error. I am satisfied, but if he is not satisfied, then somewhere his error is leaking out.

Guru Maharaj Ji, what is the relationship between science and truth?

Science is searching for truth.

But how does the philosophy of science fit in with Knowledge?

Now the philosophy of the saints, nobody much believed on it, but then a scientific explanation came about energy, that energy is never created and never destroyed, and everyone has started believing in it. Understand, so science is nothing new. They have taken a thing and they are cutting it about, and God is in that thing. They took the atom and broke it apart, and energy came out of it. So this is the practical thing. This Knowledge is an internal practical thing, and science is an external practical thing. They mix together very well. Science gives us more examples; science gives us many examples. To make people understand this Knowledge there are many scientific examples. People ask me, "Why should we be low, when you are high?" and I say there is a scientific explanation for it. When something is high then it will always flow down to something that is low. Yes?

Is liberation higher than devoted service to the Lord?

What's liberation?

Well, it just means merging.

Fine. Being one with something and not coming back. What's devotion? From where did the word 'devotion' start? Just reverse the process. Devotion came from devote, devote came from devotee, devotee came from divine. The divine thing gives you something and you become a devotee, devotion starts and you become devotional. So now both things are before you and you can see the difference, liberation and devotion. Can you see the difference between the two? Liberation – just one with something, no actions. Devotion – one with something, actions. See? When Rama came, Hanuman also came, and served Him. There was one time when Lord Rama was really pleased with Hanuman, and He asked him, "Hanuman, what do you want? I'll give you one thing, and whatever you want, I'll give it. If you want devotion, I'll give you devotion. If you want liberation, I'll give you liberation." Hanuman said, "What would I do with liberation? I don't want liberation, I want devotion, so that I can be Your devotee. So that I can have Your physical presence, so that I can have Your Darshan, so that I can do some service for You. What the hell would I do with this liberation? I'll just be there, I won't be seeing You, I won't be doing anything. I'll just be one with the frequency." So the Lord gave him devotion, and if you see some pictures of Krishna and Arjuna on the chariot, you will see Hanuman sitting on the top. Hanuman 'was at the time of Rama, but then He came as Arjune too. How Hanuman met and served Lord Rama is a very wonderful story. Hanuman was an ape, a big powerful ape, and there are many stories about him. I think that is enough for today. Remember to come to the big satsang programme on the 6th.


Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji in 1972



Prem Rawat's Divine Light Mission Ashrams' in 1972

I don't mind the difficulties that are being put against me. Whenever He comes to the world the Perfect Master has to tolerate many difficulties. I have come to spread this Knowledge and that is what I am going to do. Understand this and believe it. Are you hesitating to receive this Knowledge? Why? It is very simple Knowledge. It will give you complete peace of mind. It will give you infinite bliss. Do not complain later on that you were never told about this Knowledge. Again and again, I do nothing but tell you all to take this Knowledge.

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