Guru Maharaj Ji
Questions and Answers
October - November 1971
London

THE FINAL GAME

Was the gopies' relationship with Krishna external or internal?

It was an internal relationship. But this internal relationship was so great that they couldn't even conceive that Krishna would be leaving them one day. This internal relationship was more intense when Krishna was there in person because Krishna used to play all these lilas with them, you know, and they would become so happy.

Krishna had a very good friend, his name was Uddho. And once Krishna was taking a bath in the river with His friend Uddho, and He sees a lotus flower, and this lotus flower is the same lotus flower that was given to Krishna when He started out from the gopies, who were now with this chariot. Radha -- you know Radha? -- she used to love great Krishna, and she had presented this lotus flower to Him when He was leaving, and it is this same lotus that Krishna sees and He becomes faint. Uddho takes Him out of the water and say, "What is the matter Krishna? You are the Lord of the Universe and you have become like this. Why have you fainted?" And Krishna says, "I couldn't help it. It was this lotus". So He sends Uddho, saying, "Uddho, just go and tell my gopies I am coming, they must just have some patience. They must not want to make me so impatient here. They call me and I get so impatient here, and what the communication is I can't explain to you." So Uddho goes there.

Now again this scene is described. Everybody is just waiting to see how this chariot will turn out. Whether their Krishna is in it, or a messenger from their Krishna, or whoever, you know. And the man driving the chariot comes right to

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where the gopies are. And he says, "Gopies, do you know where Krishna stays?" And they again start crying because again they are talking about Krishna. But this discussion starts with Radha. Uddho was telling them to love the internal God who is the real Krishna, to try to remember Him, and this and that and that and this. And so Radha said, "If I offer you water in a glass will you drink it?" Uddho said, "No." "Why?" "Because I'm not thirsty. I don't require it now." "So in same way, Uddho", Radha said, "We would have gladly accepted what you are teaching about the internal Krishna, that we should believe in the internal Krishna. But we do not need the internal Krishna now. We are no longer thirsty for that. We need the external Krishna. So if you can get our Krishna we will be fully obliged to you throughout our lives, but if you can't get Krishna please go away, don't try to make us weep more." And Uddho just said, "No, I can't get Krishna."

So this is the true and sincere love that they developed through this meditation. Nothing else could develop this love in them, only this meditation. And if you want again to know this true and sincere love you can do so through meditation and service, because they did service also.

Krishna used to go and hide in the trees and He used to take a -- you know -- don't know what is the name here but in India they take a sort of stick shaped like this, you know, and there is a handle type of thing here, and they have two things here, and then there is a rubber …

A catapult, a slingshot!

… and He would take this slingshot and a stone, and go high in the trees and nobody knew Krishna was there. Right? Now these gopies used to carry yogurt in pots on their heads, and they would come by, two or three of them, with these pots on their heads, filled with yogurt, and yogurt and water, and butter. Now Krishna was very fond of yogurt and he used to take this catapult and -- waaaaaah! -- shoot it at one of the pots and all the yogurt would fall down -- glug, glug, glug. And all the gopies used to run away because they were afraid that somebody was there and Krishna and all His friends used to eat the yogurt and laugh!

So one day the king sent forth his army. The king said, "Well now, I'm going to kill this naughty boy for what he is doing." And Krishna said, "O.K., let them kill me." And now this happens: all the soldiers come and surround Krishna, they want go get near Krishna and kill Him, but they can't. They all surround Him, they try to enforce themselves on Krishna, to catch Him and beat Him, but they can't. There is something like a solid invisible wave stopping them at long distance from Krishna. And Krishna is laughing, shouting "Ho! Come, come, come!" And the king is shouting "Go! Kill him!" But the soldiers can't; they are trying but there is something there, as if something is hitting their stomachs and they can't go on.

And then what happened next is that this report went to Krishna's mother, and Krishna's mother took a cane and beat Him. Now when Krishna is being beaten by our mother all the gopies close their eyes and say, "Oh, this is something wrong that we have done!" So Krishna eventually goes to His room and sleeps, but then His mother comes and apologises to Him for whatever she has done, you know, because mother also had a great love towards Krishna. And all His gopies come and Krishna says, "No, I'm not going to break any of your pots any more." But the gopies plead and apologise for whatever they had done and said, "Will you please come tomorrow and break our pots?" So this is how they love guru. About this they are most. sincere.

Anything more you want to ask?

Do not some people, certain authors or painters, do they not experience some parts of the Knowledge?

No. See, the thing is this. If somebody wants to experience it wholly. You know, in mathematics either you get it wrong or you get it right. It is like a mathematical sum. Either you experience it as a whole or you can't experience it. You know that fully. Whenever a man is given this Knowledge he gets full love. Not a part.

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It's just that they weren't given it by a person. They tried to get it by themselves.

No, no, no. Many authors have tried, and many saints if I could call them saints, many people have tried to gain this Knowledge by themselves. But they're in this room and they try to get out of this room but they can't find the way out. And this one goes and bangs his head on this corner, and that one goes and bangs his head on that corner and then it's finished. Then they write their books! But authors who haven't known this Knowledge, and are trying to write about it in their books, you will find neither horn nor tail in such a book. There is no horn and no tail in this book. Not at all. You can't find a beginning or an end in this book. You know they are just banging their heads on the four sides of the room. Sometimes they say something about this thing, sometimes they say something about that thing, but nothing about their own thing you know.

But how clearly it is written in the Aquarian Gospel. It is very interesting. You know it has been written very, very clearly. So authors who know this Knowledge and try to write about it are very successful. Now I'll give you two books. One book has been written by premies, or has been written by me. And the other book has been written by someone else. Just compare these books. The book which has been written by us will thoroughly talk about Knowledge, and only that. Won't it? The other book will talk about what is a mango, what is an orange, will try to tell you what is natural, what is unnatural and what seems to be natural. He will try to tell you why the world was created, why nature was created. But he is just wasting your time, you know It seems quite natural, but it is artificial. But a book that has been written by a premie could only describe what is Knowledge. And it will always say that this is the secret of all secrets.

Is God evenly distributed?

Well you should call a newspaper about that you know. It would be far out if God was distributed. God is not distributed. God is one, absolutely one. God cannot be cut into pieces and distributed! This is a very simple thing, it is as simple as anything. Try to understand it. Try to understand it.

Guru Maharaj Ji, what do you owe to your father?

I won't tell you what I owe. If I took all the birds, the sun, moon and everything that exists in trying to repay my father, I wouldn't even be able to repay a single pennyworth. You know He has given me such a lot. Such a lot that He has made me king of the whole universe. So how can I repay Him? As a Guru. I regard Him as my father because He is my real father, and He is my Real Father. Real father and Real Father, real to Real. He is my real father because He has given me birth, and He is

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my Real Father because He has shown me the path. How can I repay Him for this real thing He has given me? I can't even imagine repaying Him for it, but He says that if I can just do meditation it will be much more than He has given me. I don't think so. I don't think it is true.

But how can we repay you?

Just the same thing. Do meditation and service to me. And you will be repaying me. Anything more you want to ask? Yes?

Guru Maharaj Ji, what is that precise thing that a devotee does that pleases the Guru absolutely amongst worldly things?

Service.

What kind?

Well the first thing is to be in His agya. This is the most pleasurable communication. Now, this wire of agya is so thick, you know, that Satguru Himself can get inside it and come to you. Because you always have to be in His presence and you always have to be in His communication. When you die there will be a new agya. This is the best, best, best thing. Forever. I am talking to you personally now. This is the best thing. Nothing can be more than this that I am recommending. It is the most recommended thing. You understand?

Sometimes when I try to do things it makes me upset, but when I try not to think of anything except the Name and try not to do a certain thing, then it seems much more peaceful.

Yes, because you are doing nothing there. You are just idly sitting down there. You like to rest, so don't do anything, just sit down and try to remember the Word, it is really comfortable! But the thing is this, a man has to get into practice with this thing. And then that is more comfortable than sitting around. There are many people who can't sit idle. They sit idle and they get sick. So, just try to remember the Holy Word, no don't try to remember it, just remember it, you know, don't try to remember it. You know it is the most essential thing. You should be always with the Word. There is no question of trying. It must be there, it is a must. And once you are remembering the Holy Word all your work will be carrying on very nicely, you know, very beautifully.

Does this mean I should have no desires.

No, wait, you know that you must have desires. Because God has created a computer which will create desires. But this computer should not be used for other things. It just should be there. To listen to satsang, to give satsang, you know, to help a man, and so on. But desires which are extra shouldn't be there.

Oh, there a two types of desire?

Yea!

Guru Maharaj Ji, why did the people kill Jesus Christ?

You know, I never killed Jesus Christ. They killed Him.

Why did they do that?

You also did that so you ask yourself! You did that purposly because it had to happen. If Jesus Christ wasn't crucified nobody would have respected him. Everybody can remember Jesus Christ because he was hanging up on the cross. And that

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was the crucification (sic), and if that crucification had not taken place nobody would have respected Jesus Christ.

Are they going to respect you?

Yes, I'm going to be strict about it.

Why are people doubtful, why are people so doubtful when we give satsang, when we speak to them?

They think that this is external soul, because the world is becoming so artificial today. They think, no, no, no, this is not the real thing. But when you give them more and more satsang and when they see real reality, then they will realize "Ah, he means it". So eventually they come to their point. You know you take the iron, hammer it, and you won't put it in shape. But make it hot, red hot, and then beat it, it is easily put into its right position. So these people are crazy! First they must be put in the fire, then they must be hammered. When they are just this narrow, then give them dirt satsang to get rid of their dirt and this dirt satsang makes them feel so jealous, and all the jealousy that's in their heart comes out. And they are pure. Pure for one second. And this purity for one second lets in the satsang that you have been giving. And they think about it. So they accept it after all this. But their jealousy should come out first. And it comes out as you give satsang. Yes!

Guru Maharaj Ji, both the Buddha and Jesus Christ spoke of coming again, I don't know if other Gurus did as well. What did They in fact mean?

The thing is this, did the man who was writing the Bible talk about coming again or did Jesus Christ himself say it? Jesus Christ has written no Bible. Try to remember that. Jesus Christ wrote no Bible. But He will come again. The thing is, people make mistakes about the words.

What does that mean?

He will come again! It really means that He will again come to this western world, and He'll be laughing. He'll again come to this western world with the bright Light and He will shower this upon humanity. He means it. On this western world He probably meant. And whether it's true or not, nobody knows it. Nobody can guarantee that. But Christian people sort of try to conflict themselves, try to constrict themselves by the sentences. First of all they say He will come. But if somebody

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has gone out of this house only then can he come back in. If somebody is already in this house how can he come back in? Eh? So they say He will come, and then they say He never died.

Oh, but doesn't that mean that He will come back in the flesh?

Yes, He will come back again. And how will He come back? In which flesh will He come, or in which Light will He come? That is not described. This sentence hasn't got an introduction to it, it is an incomplete sentence. So be on your own. You be on your own. Try to see that which is living, not dead.

But the Bible, The New Testament, tells that Jesus is living now.

So Jesus is living, right! Jesus is living. Ram is living now, Krishna is living now, Buddha is living now, but they all have been united. All their powers have been united into one very, very, very, very powerful power. And then this power spreads it's hand, you know, like this, something is going to happen. All this, all the things that are going on wrong in this world are going to be abolished.

Will it be very long?

Very shortly. He is starting to move His hand now, you know. Try to understand. You people, not only you people, I want to say this whole world reads the Bible and tries to understand it through their minds, right? They can't understand it. Spirituality cannot be described and it cannot be understood by the mind. Mind is imperfect. How can it understand? Whatever it understands is absolutely wrong. Absolutely wrong. Because the mind will always project what is false. Mind is a black light. And whatever is projected from it is black. No purity. Nothing pure can be projected from this mind. Just try to see how it really is.

Guru Maharaj Ji, how can you help us through this game we play on this planet?

I'm going to supervise you, and stop you wherever you play wrong. That is all. I'm going to give you this Knowledge, I'm going to make you perfect in this game. And it won't be a qualifying game any more, it will be the final game. Now people are about to play a real game and this is the final. So I'm going to make you perfect for that. Just have some patience and see what happens! Just see, how far out this game is going to be, how far out will be the things that happen! Have some patience in your head, and you'll see how this little room is going to be on the other side of the river. How this world is going to float over this ocean of materialism and inhumanity and all that is here. All this

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world is going to float over it, and go to the other side where there is purity, purity, purity all the time. And you're going to see how it goes. Like a hovercraft but faster!

Sometimes I get an incredible amount of emotion, you know, tears. What is that and how should I deal with that?

You see, crying is good because all the bad water in your eyes comes out. Very good. Gopies always were crying, You know who the gopies were? If you saw gopies, they were always crying. Gopies never laugh, gopies never have time to laugh. Gopies were meant to cry. They were meant to cry, that's why the Lord of the Universe leaves them, you know. The Lord of the Universe leaves them. First of all He makes friends with them, you know, saying, "Oh, gopies, oh gopies, oh gopies!" And then they become quite a friend of His and then He says, "Well, I'm leaving you" and off He goes. So what can they do now? They recognized that He is the Lord of the Universe, and He is just everything and He is their friend, and they are all happy. And now when they see that He is leaving, how can they say to their eyes, "Don't weep?" They just start weeping; the gopies were meant to weep. And that's why they always weep. When Krishna was there, when they saw the lilas of Krishna, they used to cry in happiness. And when Krishna left them they used to cry in sadness. And you know this is a very beautiful description.

One day I was sitting in my room, in my office, in Dehra Dun and this is at a great height, very very cool, and fresh air comes. from Mussorie, or from the Himalayas, and I was sitting there. It was night time, and I had a blue light in my room, it was a very beautiful blue light. And the whole room was blue and I was writing a book. And I wrote that these gopies were standing here in the shade of a tree, and they were talking about their Krishna, saying, "Ah, well Krishna will be there, and Krishna will be …" And they were weeping, and they were talking about their Krishna, they were saying, Oh, Krishna will be doing

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this," and "Krishna will be doing that, there will be discourse going on". And they ultimately come to a point when they say, "Well, Krishna likes us", and they start weeping like anything. And then they see that a chariot is coming. And all the cows, who were also weeping, all these cows go and stop and gaze at this chariot, and it looks like the tears which were rolling down from the eyes of the gopies have stopped. Just to see whether Krishna has come or not. And these tears meant to say, "Let us stop on the cheeks and just see if Lord Krishna has come. If Lord Krishna has come let us drop down for him, then it will be O.K. But if we drop down without Lord Krishna it will be nothing to us."

And these gopies just stand there on this balance. Sometimes they are filled with joy that Krishna has come, for the chariot seems to be same thing. And sometimes they are sad saying, "Oh no, Krishna hasn't come," and again two tears roll down from their eyes and they are very sad. And when they think Lord Krishna has come, they are so happy. And they have this conflict -- what will be their luck, what will be their fortune? Will they be happy, or will they be sad? And ultimately when they see, when they really see that after all this is not Krishna they cry, they cry, they cry like anything. They couldn't help themselves. They say, "No, if this is not Krishna, then He is so cruel that we wouldn't have loved Him."

Just so, you know. Gopies were always meant to cry; they were always crying throughout their lives. Sometimes in happiness, even then they cry. And sometimes in sadness, even then they cry. It's really beautiful story about gopies. The real, sincere love they had towards Krishna. It's rare to find such a love. You'll find any other love today. You find boys kissing girls right in the middle of the market. But you can't fine the sincere love that Krishna and the gopies had. It was a real communication that they had between them. It was so firm and beautiful, what they had. It was filled with such sincerity that it seemed that this was the only love that could exist in their life-time. The love these gopies had used to flow out from them without stopping. This was the real love.